Another Maggie Post? How About a Keely Post?
The fifth Maggie post seems to have hit its limit and I'm astounded by how much some of you care about these characters. It means so much. I care about them too.
Soon you'll see a brand new hotwife novel from me with a new couple (Cam and Amberly, Camberly, if you will) who I grew to love and I care about deeply. But I wrote it while all of us were pontificating about the Maggie cast and despite how I care for them, I still miss Max and Maggie.
So ... is this a thing? ↓↓↓ Could this possibly be a thing? ↓↓↓
Hint: the answer is: Please, tell me it's a thing! Tell me I'm not wasting my time with this! I want to tell a story from Keely's perspective as she enters this Bizarre Love Triangle and breaks its weak vectors. I want to hear her perspective on all she sees and how she falls in love with Max and how he falls in love with her ...
I know I said Recovering Maggie was the final Maggie book, but was it? ...
Think I'm joking?—how about the opening scene of "Finding Keely" ...
Soon you'll see a brand new hotwife novel from me with a new couple (Cam and Amberly, Camberly, if you will) who I grew to love and I care about deeply. But I wrote it while all of us were pontificating about the Maggie cast and despite how I care for them, I still miss Max and Maggie.
So ... is this a thing? ↓↓↓ Could this possibly be a thing? ↓↓↓
Hint: the answer is: Please, tell me it's a thing! Tell me I'm not wasting my time with this! I want to tell a story from Keely's perspective as she enters this Bizarre Love Triangle and breaks its weak vectors. I want to hear her perspective on all she sees and how she falls in love with Max and how he falls in love with her ...
I know I said Recovering Maggie was the final Maggie book, but was it? ...
(I include this weird version of Bizarre Love Triangle because it includes clips of one of my absolute favorite movies of all time and I can't believe I found it! This movie is in my top 10 best movies! The best movie ever made about modern love and loneliness ...)
Think I'm joking?—how about the opening scene of "Finding Keely" ...
At the Aughrim Arms on the Ballinaclash Road, Keely conversed via text with the world’s most untrustworthy asshole, almost five-thousand kilometers away in the sleazy city of Boston. It was her Nan’s eighty-eighth birthday party and the last thing she needed right now was to hear lame explanations from Derek. Still, he texted.
Derek: What did she say?
Keely: I don’t want to talk about it
Derek: Just tell me
Keely: I’ll talk when I get back. I’m with me Nan
The phone buzzed one more time as she struggled to get it back into her purse without looking at the screen. Checked it anyway, turning it to face her before it disappeared into her hand bag.
Derek: She’s a liar.
Sure she is Derek, but why would she lie? You’re cheating on me and I know it.
Enough of that though. She was home in Aughrim, with her family, with her sisters and her brother, with her best mates Sara and Marly. American Derek and all his two-faced bullshit could take a hike because tonight she would have fun without him.
Lol, you're never achieving your unofficial goal for 2018!
ReplyDeletesubtext: Fuck yeah, let's hear about things from Keely's perspective!
Anything with Keely would feel like an unnecessary DLC to a great series. Max truly "losing his wife" and let it end there would be more impactful. I may read it but not something I look forward to.
ReplyDeleteI trust the only reason she would continue with Keely is there is a lot more to her story than we think ...
DeleteWhen has KT ever been rainbows and shamrocks on every page?
Thank you for the honesty! I might just be selfish and I can't figure out if I am or not, I don't want to let those characters go. Maybe Keely will show up as short stories in the back of new novels. I don't know ...
DeletePlease
ReplyDeleteI'd love to see this happen. I agree with the others, Maggie series doesn't *need* this, but personally I feel like the Keely angle didn't get enough words and I'd love to read about her in whatever form you decide. Any look into that missing time would be super interesting to see and if you think Keely's angle would have enough content to warrant a standalone story then I say go for it.
DeleteWas looking forward to another Raza story and Size Curious Brat as well. I suppose I'll read this Keeley one, but am a little depressed so to speak.
ReplyDeleteWriting the next Reza right now. SCB2 is done, just need to edit it and I'm giving it away for free to my newsletter subscribers.
DeleteAwesome stuff! Is this Reza going to be the last or do you have plans for more? Hope you have plans for more.
DeleteDon't know yet, maybe two more books? Depends on what I learn when I get into them, how much more is needed, and how much more is wanted!
DeleteInterested in finding out what this new hotwife novel you're going to be publishing soon. Sounds like you wanted to get done (Cam and Amberly).
ReplyDeleteIt's the next book that will be out. Probably next week.
DeleteDamn ... I was hopin' ...
DeleteOhhhhh shit here it comes
DeleteWanted to add that I am sort of glad that Keeley is going to have a chance to tell her story. I found myself upset at the ending more for this reason than anything. Yes yet get to see a little about her, but not really enough in my mind. A good prequel is in order (stand alone? or perhaps maybe two but not as long as the Maggie series hopefully).
ReplyDeleteI agree with this...a little more clarity on Keely would definitely fill in the gaps on some of our knowledge. And we get to see Max, Maggie, Cole again. I see why some may just want to move on to new stories, but I feel like there is room for a Keely prequel and a chance to see the beginnings of her love story with Max.
DeleteI haven't yet read the "Maggie" books (bought all of them in paperback, fondled them, drooled a little in eager anticipation, and stacked them neatly to read ASAP -- I have such a reading backlog, and so little time it seems!), but I gather this is a supporting character from those books? (I am also trying to avoid spoilers, for obvious reasons, and so haven't been delving into these discussion posts, but I had to peek into this one just enough to see what that gorgeous cover was about.) Anyway, bottom line is, for me and I suspect most of your readers, if you write it, then it's a thing. So I vote yes, sight unseen, for this and everything else your muse demands. (And now we're waiting on something called "Apres Ski" it seems? Cool, though I thought "Happy Endings" was next up.)
ReplyDeleteHa ha, if you haven't read the books you need to back out of here quickly and don't look around!
DeleteBinge read those suckers then get back here and let us know what you think!
And thank you for the kind words :)
Apres Ski was easier to finish so it'll be out next. Happy Endings has been practically done for a few months now but needs editing and it`s a long book, around 100k so it`s a bit daunting. I do better when I write books in shorter increments then release them!
Happy Endings? What is that one supposed to be about exactly? Sorry have been relatively new to the blog.
DeleteI've been taking way too much time out of my evening hunting the multitudes of comments looking for her brief synopsis of it, but hopefully my memory serves me well.
DeleteIt's apparently a full length novel about female masseuse and her successful husband, and ... his boss, who is younger and all the things that draw us to these books. Hubby is an alpha too, so the story seems to be wifey enjoying the two of them jockeying for positioning.
What I distinctly remember too is that the boss and hubby have a relationship such that it requires they be around each other a lot, which sets things up for wifey I imagine?
I'm looking forward to it. But whatever comes first is what I'm rooting for.
Hey KT I think I mentioned this but I am currently working on an erotic novella with some potential sequels. It has the landlord but at a very different angle. Anyway I could share what I have thus far with you and you could give me some feedback when you have time? I have about 12 pages done thus far. It's going kind of slower than some with no sex yet.
ReplyDeleteI feel that the Maggie series tells a solid and complete story on its own. Well-written characters have depth that suggests more than what's just on the page and the fact that some people want more from them is a testament to the complexity and truth of your characters. However, writing a new perspective to the same story every time there's positive feedback will eventually lead to diminishing returns - it's the same pattern that so frequently undermines the quality of television shows when they keep getting renewed as long as the show's doing well, ensuring that the later seasons will eventually fade in quality.
ReplyDeleteSo, personally, I would prefer you move on to some of your other ideas you mentioned a while back (so many interesting ideas!) rather than revisit an already complete story, but having said that, please just follow whatever you feel motivated to write.
Also I was so curious when you said that Recovering would be the last Maggie book "sort of" a while back, so it's cool to finally learn what that meant.
DeleteAnd I want to be absolutely clear, your books and writing are amazing and I will absolutely read whatever books you end up publishing.
OMG Yes! There is a lot of backstory to mine with Keely IMO. And I for one would love to hear her viewpoint on everything with Max. How she falls in love with him, how she handles the fact he's still in love with Maggie, her feelings on being with Cole for Max's sake.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, it could be quite different from the hotwife novels, and I don't see that as a bad thing. We can still continue to read all of those and enjoy a Keely/Max finding love and working through things story. I think it'd be great, whether you did it as a multi-part story, or as a series of vignettes tacked on to the other stories.
This comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteWould look forward to a keely book. Im guessing that we will see some dynamic between her and cole. That may solve alot of questions to the Maggie ending. Like did she dump cole which may have caused cole to have the maturity growth spurt.
ReplyDeleteDid maggie cause the break-up? Which we already know must have been somewhat mutual for them to continue being friends. Possibilities!
Yes bring it on......!
There are a lot of answered questions...how did Maggie and Cole come to the decision to be together? How did they know Keely was right for Max? What did Keely think of their “arrangement?” What was Keely’s first impression of Max? How did Max react to Keely? Did Maggie willingly “give up” Max, or did Keely have to ask her to let go?
DeleteI’ve been saying that it’s OK to leave this questions unanswered, but if KT wants to tackle them I think it’s great. Plus we get to see what will no doubt be a rich and colorful back story with Keely and her family in Ireland. More Keely, please!
Yes ill have a slice of the keelyme pie....🤗
DeleteYea there so much outside the inner circle obsetvations id like to see from her perspective especially if cole was or wasnt into sharing and that was her thing leading to a split up. Or is keely too much of an alpha to be pushed around like Cole might try to....
Maybe she has a three way with cole and jessie that didnt work out ....ok maybe im reaching on that one.
Either is good if KT puts it out you know ill read it. A different pov would be cool.
Now onto reza and the superslut charlie. Wonder if little johnny will turn into big bad John or shrink further into his game developing life.
This comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteWhat kinda game is he gonna make that only takes one person?
DeleteI think that Charlie and Max will hopefully have a happy ending or some kind of murky ending! I hate sad endings in erotica, such a turnoff.
DeleteSad endings rarely ever happen in 'mainstream' erotica, am i wrong about that? I feel like always endings happily dilutes the emotion of it. Devalues it and takes it for granted. I like that KT actually doesn't shy away from making us feel that emotion.
DeleteI should say, I mean 'happiness' when I say 'it' in my thought above.
DeleteErotica is different than other genres for me at least. I read plenty of horror where so many bad things happen like Cujo or Christine. If I wanted to read about tragedies I would turn to horror or drama.
DeleteAlthough saying that I am currently working on a story that doesn't exactly have a 'happy ending' for all involved and yes it's an erotica. Guess that makes me a hypocrite.
DeleteIt does make the feeling feel artificial sometimes when there are only happy endings but I agree that it's a turnoff when things go sour because I just won't care about the success or failure of the relationship anymore. Not that cut and dry but you get the idea..
DeleteA great story trumps all that stuff, though..
Jeff - Sorry if I wasn't respecting the nuance of your opinion, I was just thinking that, yeah it was nice that Pete got Jess back, but it felt like it was by default, even if Jess realized in Florida that she was dating someone too young for her.
DeleteWA - your last line is exactly the only thing that matters to me, but let me explain what gets me to feeling that a story is "great."
To me these stories are all about emotion, and to be honest, I come into these stories expecting to be challenged. The only way to be challenged is by hurting us a little, so almost by the simple virtue of the design, the most prevalent emotion in a story has to be (if we want to look at it on a spectrum) more bad than good. My personal 'equilibrium' point in these stories is probably more shifted towards the bad if I'm honest with myself, so I welcome more depravity in these stories (which is not who I am as a person, so don't assess my character based on these thoughts) and am probably biased in that regard, but I think it's a necessary feeling in this story for it to have an affect. Not necessarily in the end, but throughout the story certainly.
The key piece to making it 'great' though, is that throughout I feel like a story is being told that's realistic. To make it realistic, they story can't dwell on the negative, nor can it stay in the positive. It HAS to fluctuate in a way that feels authentic to reality, as surreal as a story like this can be. I felt a genuine connection between Maggie and Max, and loved their struggle to find each other's happiness, which was sweet. And just as I felt the good feels there I enjoyed Maggie's logical fallacies and Max's subterfuge (ok, I liked that more). I need it all! And if getting it all has been accomplished by the end of the story, it doesn't matter what emotion the story ends on, because they story was good. The ending still has to be good in terms of quality, but the way I feel emotionally is irrelevant to me as long as I really feel it. Wouldn't be able to feel that way unless I knew what the opposite emotion was (i.e. how can I feel sadness without knowing what the joy in the story could really be, etc.). The quality of the ending is determined by the journey in addition, not just what happens in the end.
To be honest though, no author challenges me like KT does, that's why I'm here, everyday, talking to you fine folk. Probably unfortunately for her, I kind of rely on her frankness, her matter-of-fact story telling that isn't afraid to make me cry or feel like I could lose a few pounds (just kidding, but I do seriously), so I feel like sometimes I overcompensate in my feelings about these stories with her and want her do all the things I wish other authors would do. She unfortunately gets the "all eggs in one basket" treatment. I really hope I don't come across as pushy with her because I really try to take a hands-off approach of letting her tell the story that feels right. Ultimately what has been produced has been outstanding and has caught me by surprise for almost two(!) years straight, now.
Thinking this stuff over is making me want to make sure KT knows that she is not allowed to stop writing, ever, k, thanks. :)
I dunno... I have a lot of other authors that I'm more into, on the erotic angle it's a lot smaller though because it seems that a lot of them are just not that great or it's such a small genre compared to others. KT makes erotica fun though and I'm always gearing to others that are good.
DeleteI guess I get the arousal element in her stories, but the emotional pain factor takes away from it some... At the same time it keeps the reader reading which is very effective.
What I meant was that the sexually fused angsty feeling of lust is gone for me when the relationship is severed permanently because of one or more of the characters. You could say that's where I draw the line between being turned on and turned off, which I think is similar to what Jeff was saying. Not the most important thing, but it is a big part of these stories. My re-reads of the Maggie series feel neutered for this reason. But who cares about that?
DeleteI agree with you entirely that the story needs to be genuine more than anything else. When every character is chipper and fake, the story immediately fails. Easiest way to spot those things is when a character interaction makes no sense and exists purely for convenience. The challenge that you talk about is what makes these stories fun to read for me. It feels like more than just finishing a story when it's over, it's like trudging through an emotional ultramarathon and surviving it; it's invigorating. We don't always look the same on the other side but nothing replicates that feeling like these types of stories, and no one writes them better than KT Morrison (that I've read so far).
I just finished the Losing HIs wife series... It ended pretty happily in a sense. Said it was an unhappy ending and in some ways it was and other ways I thought Maggie series ended way sadder.
ReplyDeleteI'll have to come back to this, but I'm honestly surprised you would think that LHW was happier than the Maggie ending. Does the mere fact of the couple remaining married make all the difference? Jess reluctantly came back to Pete looking for any kind of comfort, baring another man's child. Max messed around and went and found love. Potentially with caveats, but love.
DeleteSpoiler alert, above!!!
DeleteWe all read it right?
Do I? Perhaps.... Interesting notion though when you think about it. In some ways getting back together can be more painful than breaking up. Gave me much to think about.
DeleteIf I had to rate them, I think Pete and Jess was the “saddest” ending. Nia and Geoff is the happiest, if we assume some things about their future. Maggie is somewhere in the middle, but closer to Nia and Geoff than Pete and Jess, at least for me.
DeleteI was wondering if the Caymon Proxy is any good or not... That was one series I haven't started yet.
DeleteJL - I agree with your take there. Surprising no one.
DeleteJeff - Cay Pro is about a Married British couple and the wife's best friend and her "boyfriend" taking a trip to the Cayman Islands ostensibly to have a little SO swap. Without giving away much, it's not what it seems and though it was meant to be a little harmless fun, in typical KT fashion, things got out of hand. People are lying, hurting, living, and loving. Definitely worth a read!
This one is probably KT's biggest story in terms of settings because she is all over Europe in this, and she also writes from 4 perspectives, which, other than 'Obsessed' is the most perspectives she has ever written from. It's also her first series!
It hasn't continued because KT likes to keep everyone on their toes, but she says she will return to it! That said, if you're expecting closure going into it, you will not get it in the foreseeable future.
On happy endings...
DeleteIf you find yourself needing one.. skip back to a couple of the juicier chapters. Jk.
I prefer endings that flow naturally. Even if i dont like it. Iwould have prefered Max and maggie together.. that didnt happen and im ok with that because thats where ths story went..the bonus is i have no clue how kt will end her next story.. will charlie and johnny be together? Is that even a happy ending for either?
Agree with JL23 on the pete/jess, nia/geof and where the maggie story ended.
Theres that spectrum we're on...everyones happy ending is somewhere on it and some.are not the happiest just not completely sad.
The other end is the btb (burn the bitch/bastard). I dont particularly find those to my liking but if thats where the story goes so be it. Im here reading to be surprised/shocked, entertained, and challenged. Fortunalty this author does that.
finally was able to get the last book and I have to chime in here. as far as ranking the endings I'd have to say in terms of Tragedy, in the Greek sense, I felt Maggie's series was the most tragic. Very Oedipal. Think about it.
DeleteMaggie, in essence caves to what her parents want, becomes her mother, and marries a man that is in essence her father. Will she be happy in the long run if she ever realizes?
Max, while not in an Oedipal situation is far more tragic. He loses the love of his life to his best friend and best man, steps up and sacrifices his happiness so she can have hers, and will have to live with the knowledge that despite finding another to love he lost his one true love due to (in large part) his own actions. Keely mitigates this, sure. But the best Greek Tragedies were not sad endings.
And that's the key isn't it. Tragedy does not have to be sad or happy. Happy or sad don't really matter. Not in the classic sense anyway.
Hi Edi - good to see you posting again.
DeleteA little Maggie Revisited
I totally agree that this story is very much about Maggie going the route of her mother. You could choose to look at it as that was Maggie's destiny, but for me I agree it's more of a caving. I piece it together by who she was before Cole complicated things. Maggie chose to go to Farmington to pursue art, which maybe was never what she would do professionally, but to me demonstrated a girl trying to free herself from the rigidity of her family life. Art was her outlet, an ability to tap into who she was trying to be between her regularly scheduled classes and cello lessons. There's a yearning there, a reaction to wanting to find her own way.
It's why I was particularly disturbed by Maggie's reaction in RM when she decided to destroy what paintings she did in high school. She looked at it as if she needed to grow up and in a bout of rage destroyed her childish improprieties. It's like she was renouncing herself trying to seek her individuality, like she was rejecting the place within herself that it came from. The paintings should have been a reminder, "why do I want what I want?" Something that could recenter her, laugh at its silliness, but remember what it meant to her.
KT mentions that Maggie was likely never going to be happy doing art, that she was sort of aimless and wouldn't want to be second fiddle in her family with Max because she would be dependent on his income. At least that was the devils advocate that she portrayed in a reply she wrote when we discussed this subject earlier, but I think art was a stepping stone for Maggie, she was never going to be second fiddle (or cello as it were) to Max. I think she was destined to figure everything out eventually, and independent from her mother and father (who renounced her, in essence, for not doing what she was told). Max wasn't going to control her, he was going to let her take her licks and hold her, let her know life is tough but they're in this together. She might have become a self-actualized Maggie, in my opinion. Or not, life is fucking hard sometimes.
Continued -
DeleteThinking about who she actually becomes and what she sees in Cole, I think is tragic in a sense. Cole is a good guy, I truly believe that, flawed, it's not like I can't see the betrayal he wrought and decided to listen to Maggie's dad instead of his own dreams, but I think he loves Maggie for who she is. On the other hand, I'm not entirely convinced that Maggie truly loves Cole for who he is. There are years of reading that we missed out in where Maggie and Cole move in together and, presumably, aren't having mind blowing sex every other moment, and therefore talking, lol! Still, it's not clear from the reading that Maggie really demonstrated how much she liked who Cole was. It felt more like she was in love with who Cole could be, and in my opinion, that's because she was envisioning his potential to become like her father. She might not even realize she was doing that (though I have to think she'll figure it out eventually), but Cole was in line to became the next Martin (cemented the moment he stopped being a future lawyer and decided to work under Martin), and that has a deeply embedded appeal.
To be fair though (cynically speaking) who we are is a direct result of how we're raised. So, you could argue that Maggie was never going to be anything other than a lawyer, everything else was preamble. The tragedy might be that becoming truly individual and free is harder than just giving into the forces that pull us in different directions by those who raised us - parents, teachers, friends, clergy, culture - writ large, it's more likely we give in to an easier route. Even though it's not easy in a work sense, it is so much easier for Maggie to go the route of her mother, and I think it was easier to marry a man like Cole for her too.
You will find kindred spirits on here that finds Maggie's future happiness with Cole to be questionable.
I don't know that I would classify it as a tragedy for either character. The psychoanalytic aspect, yeah for sure. Maggie succumbed to something that she (probably) wasn't aware of and that is the closest thing to a tragedy because of what she nearly became. But like ToBe=ToHave said, I don't know that for sure. I like a tragedy to have unavoidable circumstances and I don't think hers were unavoidable, but maybe they were.
DeleteAs for Max, even after all these months, it still feels more like a survival story. As if I saw the monster from the beginning and watched in horror as he tried to escape it's claws and cheered when he made it out alive. I know it's absurd to view Maggie that way given the genre, but she had a cold dissonance about her regarding Max's feelings and that frightened me (for Max's sake). So, naturally, I viewed his story as less of a tragedy and more of a suspense/thriller with great relief at the end. Just my perspective
When I think back about this series, the suspense is gone and replaced mostly with disappointment in Maggie. Not just because I believe she made the wrong choice but because there shouldn't have been a choice to make. Cole and Max are both great men with bright futures, but Max is a visionary and has a kindness in him that I think represents the best of us. Alone those traits are great but together you get people like Bill Gates. I don't believe Keely was a consolation prize or convenient. I'm not the only that sees Max like this; I believe Keely was inevitable. All of them are going to go on to live exceptional lives but Max will stand out. I don't think Maggie will question her decision in the future, but will know she made a mistake (and made it many times over).
I have this interesting idea that I haven't seen successfully done in the hotwife genre... It being done in fantasy... I mean yes it was done in King Author... I remember that Exaclibur movie was actually the first movie that turned me on to the hotwife story. Just thinking how certain genres can cross over is all.
ReplyDeleteDo this of us who can successfully produce smaragdine-eyed children with Keely get to vote first on this story?
ReplyDeleteI have hazel eyes, is that close enough?
DeleteWell, Keely may just have to suck it up and bear a lot of children, not all of them Max's, to ensure that the recessive eye colour is passed along. But you raise a good point on how green is green. Our fearless leader, kt, may have to set some standards using a colour wheel.
DeleteNOT OT: KT, what is sleazy about Boston? Crude, profane, vulgar, ok; but sleazy?
Btw Got my theme music already qued up for the keely story. Keeping my list close to the vest until the story is out but ... one may find keely at a bar toasting to" lily the pink".
ReplyDeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteHey, just finished The Cuckold Tragedy, heart wrenching and pretty incredible. Had a very emotional drawn element which took some elements away but also made it very complete. Absolutely loved the ending.
ReplyDeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteHeres rhe main reason why i think max stayed at the lodge he remembered when June Milton sang him to sleep with this song.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc
For those like minded and have spotify. Maggie playlist. It's collaborative so feel free to add.
ReplyDeletehttps://open.spotify.com/user/esgoroth59/playlist/0x3NBcJUan9J18pqOgH2UM?si=jTlcTvWqSkCPvHb5PwajZQ
@dwalk
DeleteAwesome music really liked Oceans.
That's me, glad you liked it!
DeleteCool
DeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteWOW what a song!! Awesome
DeleteYea i can just imagine June having those moments with max and when it came to run or stay. He went with "what advice would mom say" "what will be will be..." whether he participated or not so he stayed to try and "make it work"
DeleteCuz im a senti....mental ole coot.
ReplyDeleteThis came out about the same time my first marriage died. It helped me and i can imagine Max hearing this in his heart as he watched maggie and cole running off to skinny dip after the wedding.
https://youtu.be/vxz7UkOQ5v4
@KT
ReplyDeleteIn the realm of practice makes perfect.
What was your first story in this genre?
How many storys have you written since(including non amazon sites)?
How have you changed in the way you tell your stories story since book one?
This comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteSomething that I think would be really neat for this kind of story would be a chapter or two from Cole's POV. Not sure when it would be a good time for that but I'd love the perspective.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if thatncouldnbe folded into keely story since they had a relationship no matter how brief.
DeleteJohn and WA, did you guys see all the action has moved to a new book post? Still not posted yet (grrr) but it has to be soon given how long.
ReplyDeleteIn the interest of full disclosure, I should say I’m on Team Max. I sympathize with him; I empathize with him; I identify with him. So I found this book to be enormously sad—so much so I carried around a vague sense of melancholy for a couple days after completing it. And I have to say I’ve rarely come to dislike a fictional character as much as I came to dislike Maggie. Yes, I understand the prevailing view that Max was the boy for young Maggie and Cole is the man for mature Maggie—and there’s some logic in that viewpoint. But the maturing Maggie treated Max’s love and his ego as a toy. A dispassionate (well, not too dispassionate) reading of Maggie’s trajectory in this series is: Maggie is tempted to cheat with the wrestler—and is clearly keeping Max in the dark about her activities. If not for Max’s rash decision to spy, he never would have known what was going on, and Maggie almost certainly would have gone all the way very soon. Maggie entertains Max’s kink, without confessing her own urges. She plays with Cole, allows Cole to push her envelope, then cheats with Cole (yes, Max was watching in the hotel—but Maggie didn’t know that), and then gets pissed at Max because he saw her cheat. She develops feelings for Cole without telling Max, then continues to have sex with Cole without Max, including the deeply romantic weekend in the dorm (again, without Max), culminating in the events at the motel. When Max finally reaches his breaking point, she chases after him—all so she can bring him to the lodge and screw Cole in front of Max again and then refuse his second marriage proposal—yet continues to string him along (literally, she puts the ring on a string) and is still toying with him six years later. There’s Max and his new fiancée on Maggie and Cole’s honeymoon, where Maggie pulls Max aside to twist the knife a couple more times—no, she won’t fuck him because “I’m a married woman” (although being an engaged woman didn’t seem to sidetrack her), and, oh yeah!, “I’m pregnan--and not by you.” Damn, Maggie, just use a cattle prod or a taser.
ReplyDeleteThe speck of bright side in all this is that sooner or later, Cole and Maggie will understand their relationship is based on Cole’s big dick—and that Keely is correct in understanding that that’s aboutall there is to Cole—a big dick. He’s stuck toiling for Maggie’s Daddy now, and his wife gave up everything that made her unique to follow her tiger mother’s dictates. Of course, when Cole does leave Maggie for whatever skirt he chases (and he will chase a skirt at some point), Maggie will no doubt run to Max and beg forgiveness. With any luck, Keely will punch her before Max spirals back into her clutches.
None of these sentiments detract from my admiration for KT’s novel (although the pronouns got a bit thick in the honeymoon sex sequences. At one point, I thought Maggie was giving oral to herself). It was a helluva ride—and given my connection to Max, I don’t think it would be possible for me to regard Maggie in any other way. When Max walked out of the lodge and climbed in his car, I was really hoping he’d make a break for it. But his realization that he’d be utterly friendless if he did so was both tragically sad and even more tragically true—but his fate was sealed during that encounter. True to his word, Cole didn’t steal Maggie again after that weekend—because he had never brought her back to Max.
To speak to this thread’s mission, a book about Keely is going to suffer from already knowing the end—she’ll wind up with Max, unless KT plans to rain some more shit on this poor guy. That said, I like Keely’s sense of reality and why she clung to Max would be an interesting story.
The other possibilty for a keely story is we get to see keely break coles heart spurring the maturity growth.
DeleteAs for Max im going with he may not have been mature through out but he grew up fast at the end. I believe he was the smartest man in the room and the reason he pulled the ring was he was getting smarter and wiser.
As for the next six years if my first wife after the divorce said we could still knock boots.im sold..maybe theres a hope of reconciliation maybe its just banging the hot chick. But keeping money in the game means continue play time until he meets a distraction named keely.
So im not as sure maggie strung him along as much as he just played along.
It took alot for me to make the paradigm shift. But once i looked at max as an intelligent dude it started adding up.
For the record i was team professor Charmichael.
I was the only one on my team but there ya go.
:)
Welcome to the club!
The other possibilty for a keely story is we get to see keely break coles heart spurring the maturity growth.
DeleteAs for Max im going with he may not have been mature through out but he grew up fast at the end. I believe he was the smartest man in the room and the reason he pulled the ring was he was getting smarter and wiser.
As for the next six years if my first wife after the divorce said we could still knock boots.im sold..maybe theres a hope of reconciliation maybe its just banging the hot chick. But keeping money in the game means continue play time until he meets a distraction named keely.
So im not as sure maggie strung him along as much as he just played along.
It took alot for me to make the paradigm shift. But once i looked at max as an intelligent dude it started adding up.
For the record i was team professor Charmichael.
I was the only one on my team but there ya go.
:)
Welcome to the club!
@Tee Gee Maggie had a similar effect on me. Loved her in the beginning, thought their plan to curb her desire to cheat could be fun. Then she showed a level of selfishness I can hardly compare anything to and I started to hate her.
Delete@John I got the impression that Cole and Keely just hooked up a few times but maybe there was more there, who knows? I think you're right about Max/Maggie hookups during the 6 years, can't imagine those years being more of the novels. I've heard when you spend a certain amount of time in solitary confinement (like 150 days or something), eventually your brain "flips" and you're never the same. Didn't get that impression from Max..
Gonna dive into Apres Ski tomorrow..looks like a fun ride.
Tee Gee, you put a lot of thought into that post, which was very detailed and proof someone really read the story. I recognize you were just providing a viewpoint about how Maggie’s story went, and the meat of what you said was correct, but it doesn’t do enough to explain her story, in my opinion. You don’t give Cole enough credit for actually knowing who Maggie is, and therefore more than just a penis. You recognize your bias for Max (who I personally identify with as well), and it’s obvious I have a bias for Maggie so we’re probably even in that regard. I think you (and I’ve seen the sentiment shown her before you as well) are right that Max needed to leave Cole and Maggie behind at the lodge. There was hope in a brighter future for Max, and sticking around was not part of it.
DeleteI understand that the lionshare of the opinion seems to be that Maggie is selfish, and I continue to agree that she was and that she was doing what she did for the wrong reasons. That said, nuance is needed. Can we stop pretending that Max didn’t spur Maggie’s behavior? Forget Max’s intentions, because some people seem to be okay ignoring Maggie’s, let’s talk about real conversations that Max had with Maggie about what she was doing, and tell me he didn’t spur a person on who really needed to be allowed to feel shame for what she did. What is the correct reaction to seeing Maggie do what she did with Jay in the closet? Rip into her and make her feel the proper level of guilt that comes with seeing a future wife betray you.
What did Max do, instead? Facilitate it, egg her on, and more problematically, stick around for more. When Maggie felt the shame knowing the guilt that she felt over betraying Max after Max went to her and explained that he saw the drawings of Jay and knew she was doing something bad, he didn’t let her feel awful about it. Remove himself from the situation and make her feel the loss. No, he prodded her behavior and stoked it. Of course, he was doing it for selfless reasons, right? He wanted to do anything for his fiancee. Even thought it would be fun to tell her in an act of passion that he wanted her to make Jay fall in love with her, to break his heart, because that’s what selfless people do …
People that call Maggie selfish or unlikeable as if she’s the only person in this book you should be mad at, or she is deserving of the most scorn, are ignorant to the story in this cast’s behavior. Maggie needed to have someone come in and say, “No Maggie, what you did (with Jay) WAS wrong, don’t listen to Max about this, he’s just as confused as you are. You don’t know what love is yet, you barely know how to stand on your own two feet.” That didn’t happen because we were witnesses to 21 year old relationship logic, involving a girl who was still learning to be confident in herself. To me, that continues to be the central reason for the conflict in this story.
Mistakes have consequences, and maybe the trio’s biggest one of them all was not knowing when their relationships are over.
I think everyone knows where I stand on all this, but just wanted to add that all this just sort of proves to me that we need a Keely novel. It’s been a month now, and we still love to talk and speculate about exactly what happened between the lodge and the wedding. Even if the book is primarily from Keely’s POV, I’m sure we’ll also see the others and how they feel about things.
DeleteEven if we know the outcome, that Max and Keely will be together, it doesn’t mean they’re wouldn’t be drama in between. It’s a KT story, we know there will be drama. But also a lot of clarity too. I think that would be a good thing,
Max should have put his foot down, but I think his inaction is inconsequential compared to Maggie's lack of compassion. Telling her to fall in love with Jay, to break his heart, is troublesome, but the guy tried to seduce an engaged woman. I just don't understand how you can stare into your partners eyes, someone you've known and loved for years, and continuously betray his trust as he crumbles in front of you. Whether or not Max firmly told her she should stop and make her feel shame, Maggie knew what she was doing was wrong. Felt guilt and shame all the same, and that makes it so much worse that she did it anyway. Max's reactions were naive human reactions that I can size up and understand, Maggie's weren't.
ReplyDeleteIt's kinda like how when you're a kid and you don't quite have a good sense of boundaries when it comes to things like plants and bugs and your mom has to tell you to stop poking at the ants. That basic sense of compassion that you learn at a young age and Maggie learned it. But for some reason she blacklisted Max.
I'd love a Keely themed story. Even if it strays from the usual theme I think it would be fascinating to see how our trio interacts with an outsider and how that person twists her way into their relationship. Also doesn't bother me that we know the outcome because there's so much to learn there. Any who knows? Maybe we'd get another glimpse at the future.
"Maggie knew what she was doing was wrong" - yeah she did, and she even said as much to Max in practically every sex scene they have together in the first five stories, and he ignored that concern, and worse, made it bigger by wanting her to keep doing it. She felt all the things that you talk about, WA, and Max sexualized those feelings and reinforced them, rather than let her actually feel bad about things. That isn't 'for some reason she blacklisted Max,' his reaction to her infidelity is the very reason she stopped ignoring how bad she felt about doing what she was doing. It's totally consequential to what happened after Jay. He was fucking with Maggie's head just like Maggie messed with his. And just as Maggie knew she was doing wrong, Max too knew he was doing wrong by making her continue to play with fire with other men.
DeleteMaggie was the agent of action, I feel like everyone is biased because Maggie actually is the person doing things and (this is important) being asked by others to continue to do, while Max looks on and says, "yeah, keep going." The doers get all the blame, what about the sympathesizers, or the promoters? Does being a witness somehow absolve Max of being guilty because he is just overseeing the things he promoted at one point and never put a foot down to stop? Thinking that way ignores his responsibility in what took place after Jay. If he steps away from Maggie in that moment and says, "I can't have you doing that, if you want to work out your inexperience with other men, count me out." A very boring, not KT book. But because he didn't do that ... sorry Max there's only so much he can be mad at Maggie about.
All I'm saying is for all of things you are saying which are correct, there's Maggie's side.
I agree with your general notion that someone has to be the instigator in these books, and for that reason I usually don't put so much weight on whatever happens to enable the hotwife action. But Maggie seemed almost inhuman at times with how profoundly she misread Max and his situation in order to "enable the action."
DeleteYou're right about Max making things worse. He allowed it, watched it knowingly with an eye of suspicion, similar to how someone witnesses a heinous crime and is in part guilty himself for not alerting the authorities, but not himself the subject of the indiscretion. He's guilty of that.
She was reaffirmed fairly consistently early on until she wasn't anymore. There was a break in that affirmation sometime after the secret society scene in the music room and before she decided she wanted to be open. And to Max's discredit, instead of standing up for himself, he was silent during that time. It's during that time when the mantle of compassion and responsibility fell to Maggie and she failed disastrously. Basic, human needs that we can see in each other at a glance, Maggie couldn't see in the person she couldn't wait to marry or chose to not care about what she saw. Then when Max told her what she couldn't seem to see and took her ring, she continued to care more about herself. It's that level of heartlessness that I have a problem with and instigator or no, I won't give her a pass for being that kind of person.
Chiming in with a thought.
DeleteThe moral compass of both was F'ed up. But i think max realized it sooner than maggie. Then he didnt know how to put on the breaks. For me maxs greatist mistake was the amoire. He purposefully participated in breaking down her moral code then wasnt happy with tbe results. Maggie on the other hand, accepted her role as cheating girlfriend. "Im going to be so bad you may not want to marry me"
How prophetic that turned out to be.
But i think max got a crash course in responsibility, and ethics. He got that "oh shit" moment which lead to a realization he was losing her.
Then he got smart started looking at things from a mature responsible pov. The statement he makes at the lodge sounds to me more a act of mercy to Maggie sort of letting her off the hook rather than an
Act of desperation on his part.
I feel they both have an equal share of the blame and the break up.
As far as maggie goes she was told by Max what would hurt him and she violated the rules often. Also its her body no matter what max wants she doesnt have to bend, break or violate her own ethics.
Ok max gave her an excuse to do just that but it had to have been in her mind anyway. If max told her" it would really turn me on to watch you shop lift a candy bar." Would she do that as well? Yea i know ita abit apples and orange-ish but you get the point.
WA - Question on Maggie's heartlessness. How does Max feeling like he was an equal to Cole and Maggie at the the Lodge factor into her being so heartless? Shouldn't the person being wronged feel like they are being wronged? We can talk about how misguided Maggie was about wanting to have both of those two in her life as partners, and how the truth is she really was most compatible with Cole, but she didn't know that at the time. How is that heartless? I call that naive (feeling like she can have everything), but somehow for you, Maggie isn't allowed to be naive and Max is.
DeleteJohn - I don't think either of their moral compasses got corrected until very late in the story, both of them thought they could play polyamorous games without hurting/being hurt by them, all the way until the end.
DeleteAnd your point about asking Maggie to steal Candy and why Maggie wouldn't have done that is the biggest communication breakdown in this whole story. Max and Maggie never discussed 'why' Maggie chose to do what she was doing and with what man, they only stayed on the surface with "I'm inexperienced" and when Cole started getting close, "well they are good friends, it makes sense she gets close to him." They allowed their official reasoning for Maggie stepping out (the 'gaining experience' bit) to provide them strength when facing doubt about what was happening.
So I guess your analogy only works if Maggie really wanted that candy bar, like really, really badly.
And WA - your characterization of what Max is like witnessing what Maggie is doing is only partly right, the "similar to how someone witnesses a heinous crime and is in part guilty himself for not alerting the authorities, but not himself the subject of the indiscretion," because again, Max knew it was going to happen most of the time, and enjoyed the act itself, if only partly. That doesn't make them a mere witness, but an accomplice.
Delete@ToBe=ToHave It's not a question of being "wronged." Max can feel like he was an equal, I am going to form my own opinion on the characters all the same.
DeleteMy opinion of Maggie formed before the lodge, when neither of them knew what was really happening, when their innate decision making took over. It was during this time when Max secretly met with Ken and Maggie's natural reaction when faced with that unknown was to go to Cole and let him consume her. Her resistance was so brief that I question if it was there at all. She knew what she was doing was wrong, knew what was behind Max's solemn stare (because what human is incapable of seeing pain) and told him, plainly, that she wanted to be open. She valued her happiness so much that she would hurt someone she loved in order to reach her peaks. Everything about that sentence repulses me and I don't like her because of it.
It has nothing to do with naivety or whether Max felt like he was wronged or not at the lodge. Naivety played it's role but that kind of pain doesn't take a middle aged genius to understand and see in others. A child can sense pain like that. A dog can. If you want to argue for Maggie's sake, argue that what she did was unintentional, that she had no idea the physical turmoil her actions were weighing down on her fiancé. I would say there is no way that's the case and you would have a hard time convincing me otherwise.
I get that they were on auto pilot and that Max did nothing to stop her. Max was the most naive of them all. John's analogy was on point (and had me giggling for half an hour) in that Max's actions or inactions aren't an excuse for Maggie's off-kilter morality. At least it's off in that it's centered differently from mine. Another reason why Cole and Maggie are so great together, they seem to be the same.
And, truthfully, it was only a few weeks or months when Maggie was like that. It's because of the pacing of the book and the sheer volume of pages where she is this person that I have that opinion of her. Behavior like that stains a person in my eyes, but I can't say what I would think of her if I was in Max's shoes or after a lengthy 6 years. I could see myself forgiving her quite easily if she's in the Keely book and shows more of the side of her that isn't cruel at all. It's just right now, there's way more bad than good written down.
DeleteThe stupid analogy I made about being the witness of a crime wasn't about the sex itself, but watching Maggie morph their relationship into a love triangle without the willful intent of all participants. He's guilty of letting it happen in that he didn't say anything to stop it. In that way, he's not a witness not an accomplice. He became an accomplice at the lodge.
Deleteoops meant to say *he's a witness, not an accomplice*
DeleteWA - I hope you can at least respect that I see a contradiction in these two thoughts, whatever your intention-
Delete"Max can feel like he was an equal"
and
"If you want to argue for Maggie's sake ... that she had no idea the physical turmoil her actions were weighing down on her fiancé. I would say there is no way that's the case and you would have a hard time convincing me otherwise."
Please see sentence one ...
To me, that shows Maggie did not know. When she did realize she was hurting him after the ring pull, she fought to see him, but of course, wanted to continue the triangle. Wrong of her, and it was naive to think it would work, but she recognized he hurt, wanted him to see things her way, and you could argue she "won." Max should have left them at the lodge saying he didn't want that, instead he came back, and eventually believed himself to be an equal. If Maggie chases him down and keeps pushing the triangle on him, THAT'S what would have been wrong of her, she thought it could work and Max agreed after giving it no thought whatsoever. Who's heartless here?
The fact is Maggie got mix messages. That innate message about pain mattering to anyone who has sympathy, ugh, I'm repeating myself again. They played with the emotion of hurt, it was part of the game from the very beginning! Hurt is going to get ignored when you're constantly told to do so, then keep your mouth shut when you want someone to finally acknowledge it. It's called desensitization. It stops factoring into your behavior, but it was there the whole time.
Those two sentences are only contradicting if you're only concerned about Max's opinion. My point in saying "Max can feel like an equal," was that my opinion of Maggie isn't sourced in his feelings but mine.
DeleteMax might have felt like an equal in the lodge. Could have felt like an equal when Maggie impulsively went down on Cole in front of him on the beach on like day 3 of their desensitization. Could have felt like an equal when Cole smashed him in the gut. What he feels doesn't factor into my personal opinion of Maggie. Maggie and Cole laughed about him behind his back and Maggie made decisions without him, even though he made it clear he wanted to be included. Then Maggie married Cole.
He can think he's equal all he wants, I don't care and I don't believe it to be. How they chose to handle the love triangle after the lodge is irrelevant. Max could have left at the lodge, wouldn't matter. Could have stayed because he felt like an equal or maybe because he was much more frightened of being alone than being a third wheel. Last one seems much more likely. But those things aren't what set my opinion of Maggie.
For those who love the genre.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/9YrWsmlJSiw
For the explicit version shea a "dick magnet"
One from my keely playlist
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/obi1NzzK_74
They mention one from honolulu we actually have 4 authentic and a dozen with korean hostesses/gfe experts.
Wonder how i know well its a dirty job but somebody has to verify the authenticity.
This comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteThis blog is like heroine to me. I have to let it go. My final thought is that Max never got his pound of flesh. I watched as his fiance and best friend manipulated him for their own benefit. It was painful but I stayed with it because I hoped he would make them hurt in the end by losing him. That never happened. And he went so meekly. Showed up at their wedding still pining with only a last minute female character to buoy him. And then found out his first love was pregnant with his best friend's child?! Geezus.
ReplyDeleteThis reminds me of the movies I no longer go to because no matter how amazing the acting or how many academy awards it may receive, in the end, it's just to fucking depressing.
This is probably the only series of KT's that I won't be rereading. But I love her unpredictability and I'll always read her stories - at least once.
I decided to completely shorten what is a rather gross rendition of the events that produced this thought (only because I tried PG it up, which any time someone tries to clean up sex in euphemisms makes it ten times grosser) - Did KT employ a little bit of "Sperm Competition" in Schroon Lake? I noticed it at first in this story, then when she mentioned it explicitly in Apres Ski. Whether or not it's true of course is up for Evolutionary scholar debates. Another example of the layers she cakes into stories without people even noticing.
ReplyDeleteKT, one day you are going to need to lay out all the things us readers missed in your stories.
I didn't complete this sentence for whatever reason ...
DeleteI noticed it at first in this story, then when she mentioned it explicitly in Apres Ski, it was clear she's aware of the concept.
Was that in Sex at Dawn? That might fly in the face of that book's hypothesis though ... lol.
Maybe the playlist thing is played out, but I fell on a song that would seem to me to encapsulate how Max came to terms with Maggie choosing Cole over him. It's such a beautiful song!
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/jPJNt1eTVNY
Lovely song, adding it to my playlist. Got a great song from Avicii (who passed away recently way too young) that fits the theme as well:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRz2MxhAdJo
Does anybody have a Maggie playlist on spotify?
DeleteI only have a playlist in my head, John C put together a Spotify list I think with WA contributing. Maybe others?
DeleteHere's John's Maggie playlist: https://open.spotify.com/user/esgoroth59/playlist/0x3NBcJUan9J18pqOgH2UM
DeleteSo our community has finally made me take the two seconds to create a Spotify membership, a little FOMO rearing it's head here. How do I contribute to playlists?
DeleteAdd the playlist to your library, then when you find a song just right click it and add it to the playlist.
DeleteI'm clearly technically challenged, because when I do that it just tells me to add it to a new playlist that I need to create. I don't have an option to add to the 'Maggie' playlist ... Oh well ...
DeleteAre you selecting a song already on the play list or one from your own..
DeleteHeres how it should work.
Find a song by either searching singer, band or song title.
Click save/add to play list then click the play list you have on your spotify account to add it too..of you dont have a playlist on ypur account just make one up once ypu get the hang of it you can search for other playlists like the one i or WA have posted to add to your playlists.i have over 20 different playlists from maggie to keeley to rock ,workout, sleep, soft,80s, oldies, etc etc....
To make add songs that you're looking at to one of the playlists, you have to have already accessed the playlist itself and added it to your library. On computer, you do this by right clicking one of the playlists and selecting "Add to libary". It adds the playlist to your own list of playlists on the left column..I think just viewing it might do this temporarily. Then when you find a song you right click it > add to playlist > Maggie. That's how I've done it on computer at least, not sure how it works on phone..
DeleteMaggie: https://open.spotify.com/user/esgoroth59/playlist/0x3NBcJUan9J18pqOgH2UM?si=72pg-UmLR8uipVkkaN7FNA
Keely:
https://open.spotify.com/user/5q3zym50bsvg5n8160ijs5i5x/playlist/6edVJ4WBNtTlPaEMji8BsX?si=_9qi91M7RoyUUvRe69-LVw
I'm using the browser version of spotify
DeleteWell, WA - even though I've added John and your Maggie playlist to my list (Keely will have to wait until I learn more about her), it still doesn't allow me to add songs to it, it tells me I need to create a new playlist in order to add songs to any. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
DeleteNonetheless I can't get a particular song out of my 'Maggie' head, it feels like the darkness that exists behind doing something as dangerous and thrilling as a porn video in the theoretical route that the story could have taken in an alternate universe. I think it embodies Maggie's vibe with Cole regardless.
This video is hypnotic on top of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um7ySTHsCf0
Yeah that's what happens, you relate it to something and that's what the song becomes to you. I see it too, really cool song!
DeleteStill want this spin off btw!
ReplyDeleteHey guys :) been awhile. Found a song that sounds like it could be Max singing about the whole series. Heard it in a movie and Maggie wasn't in my thoughts at all but the lyrics popped out to me and here we are. Great little song:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P13o2CzoI1E
Jeez that's good. That one got me. I think the first link is gone but I found it here: https://youtu.be/NL1fkrRBwUY
DeleteI'm still writing Keely, and another Maggie spinoff, too, so this was a wonderful find, thank you!
Good stuff as usual, WA. Are you reading Happy Endings?
DeleteNot yet..kinda scared
DeleteDon't be! Tommy (the husband character in this series) is very different from Max. Ex military, mover-and-shaker type.
DeleteI know you were kind of kidding, but even though it hits at the usual feels of these stories, to me it feels lighter.
I have a feeling it might end well for the couple too, but watch me be wrong in a couple weeks or whenever the last story gets out.
I'm gonna read it but I wasn't kidding about being scared. It's weird because I love horror movies..
DeleteI started a Keely playlist that's open for you guys to add songs to if you want. Her songs are a lot less depressing so that's nice. I'm hoping Max doesn't screw something up in the Keely novel. KT, for my own anxiety, maybe you should just pretend like you're adapting the Keely story into a Disney movie. Maybe Maggie was a 1400 year old witch this whole time? Something like that?
https://open.spotify.com/user/5q3zym50bsvg5n8160ijs5i5x/playlist/6edVJ4WBNtTlPaEMji8BsX?si=EgGxghd3T76_YZLkcNrWMg
WA - is the movie you heard that Armon Jay song from the new Netflix original that just came out? Why I watched that movie and enjoyed it considering it was a particularly bad Rom Com I don't know, yet I enjoyed it, and totally heard that song.
DeleteYeah that's the one. Didn't really like the movie but the song was nice lol
DeleteGreat song find...I find myself coming back to Max and Maggie and everyone in my head here or there now too. Glad to hear we're getting that Keely sequel, plus another Maggie spinoff? Does that mean a second Keely book or another character from the story?
DeleteAlso, I agree with WA about the tone of Happy Endings...it does feel lighter. Maybe because it feels like Tommy and Sukie are communicating better and talking through things as it goes along. Perhaps I should put the rest of my comments there, but I don't sense the train wreck potential here. Of course, I'll be wrong again too probably.
DeleteWould it be wrong to wanna see max cuckold cole.. secretly kind of a sametime next year ,month, week thing.
DeleteNah...it wouldn’t be Max, he couldn’t do that to Keely.
DeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDelete