Montréal and Writing Emotional Erotica
Cheez, I don't know why I write this stuff. I thought writing erotica was supposed to be easy and fun. Size Curious Brat, Measured Next To Her Ex... These were fun. Losing His Wife series' are hard on me. They're rewarding, finally, but they take a toll. It's worth it. In the end it makes me a stronger writer, developing a tough skin, doing the things that must be done, Killing Your Darlings as they say. And more importantly I want to create erotica that sticks with people. Books that fit their niche but as time wears on are the books a particular kind of reader remembers. Losing His Wife books are more than cuckoldry, more than hotwife...they are on the surface of course and bear all the trappings—but the emotions at play are part of the arousal. I like the term netorare. This is more than skin on skin. Maybe I get complaints that the books are too long, I need to get to the point. There are other books out there that will suit the reader looking for that short burst. Losing His Wife is long because the emotions are eroticized. The skin on skin is there, but sometimes the arousal comes from the relationship changing between two people who love each other. Scenes that some may deem irrelevant will bear later fruit. Stay with me, I have your best interests at heart.
Montréal brings us around the halfway point in the tale of Geoff and Nia. We're over a hundred-thousand words in and now things are going to get difficult. Montréal has some revelations...some past indiscretions creaking out of a coffin, an understanding of the passion that makes Nia's heart beat fast. Where's it all gonna go?
Montréal brings us around the halfway point in the tale of Geoff and Nia. We're over a hundred-thousand words in and now things are going to get difficult. Montréal has some revelations...some past indiscretions creaking out of a coffin, an understanding of the passion that makes Nia's heart beat fast. Where's it all gonna go?
You've quickly become my favorite erotic writer. Your character development and the emotional angst is phenomenal. Please don't worry about the length, it's critical to the story. Keep up the great work!
ReplyDeleteThanks so much! I'll write short works and long works too. Sometimes it's fun to really get to know people before they do bad things...makes em badder!
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DeleteLooks like I am back from a galaxy far, far away, was worried just where I might break out. Anyway, while Jess seemed to be approaching closer and closer to a 50 foot waterfall with boulders on the bottom, Nia seems to be headed down a much more destructive, dangerous path. Anyone reading on should have a good set of seashells. I think the ground is going to be coming at us very,very fast. I just hope KT can pull us up in Time!!!
DeleteI meant seatbelts, not seashells in my narrative above.... Although seashells would sound really wierd in this context, which might fit in with this alternate universe Nia is headed for.
DeleteHaha, I liked seashells better to be honest. I never thought of them as a euphemism for testicles until that mistake. I agree with your contrast between Nia and Jess, Jess' affair was dark, but Nia has the potential to be much darker. I love where the first book ended, at such an impasse. Well, the impasse was probably before the trip to Montreal, but just where her new thrill will take Geoff and Nia. Book 1 was a beaut!
DeleteIt's a $240 ticket if the fuzz catch you not wearing your seashells.
DeleteKT -- What ever happened with the Mary Poppins Bull title?
ReplyDeleteHa ha, it was a working title! If anybody saw that on the cover they'd really scratch their heads :)
DeleteI admit to kind of searching for a subtle nod to that conversation in O2, like "Amy was channel surfing on her couch, passing over 'The View', some infomercial about a face cleanser, "just a spoonful of sugar ..." lol.
DeleteThe more I think about my initial narrative above, reading K T's LHW stuff reminds me of bungee jumping. Anyone else done that before.....kinda the same rush?
ReplyDeleteI like that analogy!
DeleteI'd say that's pretty apt myself, not having done such a thing personally. Along those lines Book 2 will be about seeing how many extra feet of rope they can add before they hit bottom! What bottom is in this example I really want to know!
DeleteHmmmm. I assume that they always want them kept them low and tight? Oops better watch my typing eh KT?
DeleteAlso, Is "Her 30th Summer" still underway, or is eine renamed to "Her 40th Summer". Actually, 40+ yr old women can really be hot, so it could go either way and I would still be interested in it.
Just don't put it in front of Cayman.... By the way all of you avid KT syncophants (like myself). Please buy and read the Cayman Proxy series so I can tease KT into getting back to it sooner.
Ha, this KT letch has always taken a 'whatever she's up to' approach, if that means part 7, I'm onboard! That said I hope that she keeps the momentum up with this series.
DeleteHa ha! I'm stuck on Her 30th Summer because I stole the husband from that story. Geoff was the original husband from that book. Except he did websites not kid's books. CPro is my next priority, but I will finish Geoff and Nia first...
DeleteI better check out my bungee jumping gear and make sure the cord stretch is still okay for the next LHW2 book, better make sure the length matches the "KT craziness" level for the next book so I don't hit the ground before she yanks us up.
DeleteKT, thanks for sharing your thoughts about writing the "Losing His Wife" books, which I think are an invaluable addition to the panoply of erotic fiction. Without such stories that go beyond garden variety physical erotica, we would definitely be missing out on something rewarding. As you say, these stories are emotionally taxing, but they do make us think and get in touch with our deeper feelings. Most of us can relate to at least one of the main characters in these books. The more introspective readers will ask themselves why the story is affecting them so much. They will consider what they would do if they were in so-and-so's shoes. From a psychological standpoint, I think we all have fears of rejection and abandonment. After all, we're primates who were not meant to live without nurturing human relationships. These stories certainly make me look inward, and they also provide some teachable moments for me in where to draw the line in a hypothetical real-life scenario. Many of us wonder how far we should go in balancing the pleasure in living out our fantasies, assuming we have a willing partner, with the dangers inherent in such exploration. I think you are exceptionally talented in crafting these moving, powerful, and very erotic tales. The cognitive dissonance and confusion they cause are mysteries to be explored and not avoided. Despite the negative comments many NTR authors have to deal with from fans, there are a multitude of us out there who appreciate the hard work you put into your writing. Thanks for sharing your gift with us.
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DeleteThanks so much for the thoughtful evaluation. I agree with you 100%.
DeleteI really love exploring the psychological aspect of these relationships. They're fraught with danger while also so very exciting. I try and show both sides, the physical and the mental. I think both are very thrilling. Some people want only the physical and a cursory reference to the mental. That's cool too. I write that as well. Right to the nitty-gritty!
But some people, I think, are really sensitive to the eroticized emotions. Like a long-form romance almost. Relationships like this can be tinged with loss--and I think that for some that is the root of the interest in the genre. Loss as a result of inadequacy (really a perceived inadequacy), sexualized, for some reason.
And it is my HONOUR to share my work and have a positive response, to have people care at all about characters I create...that is really amazing! Thanks should go to everyone that cares enough to post here, it really means a lot.
Fucking beautifully stated by PS! These series' (and CPro counts in here) struck a cord so deep that, like mentioned, it causes me to think about it alot. The best thoughts of which being in the refractory period of course lol. Stories like these examine the reality that sexual fantasies don't exist in a vacuum. Nor can they necessarily be easily tamed or ignored when fulfilled.
ReplyDeleteWhat happens to us when we get exactly what we want? In some cases, anything to get it again (and again and again). We're flawed in that most of us don't know how to tap in to what really what makes us tick, so we're often making decisions based on what we think we want. When those desires have cons (like, I might fall in love, or I might lose her), not having access to all that internal info can lead to some devastating consequences, and lead to behaviors or thoughts that we're not prepared for. Cliches are nice sometimes, 'Be careful what you wish for ...,' right?
PS nailed it on the head talking about relating to characters and their experiences. The most powerful relation to the material stems from understanding the emotional impact whatever happens in the story had on the the characters. I can only accomplish that when they are brought to life. That's why I am glad that these stories are written these way they are. Only with LHW2 being written the way it is can I feel the way I do about the situation their all in now, which is feeling just about every possible emotion that sex can elicit (which is alot). She knows that's how you stick with a reader and make a good story. She's done it once and she's doing it again, and better than ever!
Wow... Super analysis by both PS and 2B=2H. Your thoughts remind me a bit of the Butterfly effect (the concept, not so much the movie(s)), in that everything we do/explore has consequences that affect our future possibilities... essentially on a new timeliness we might not even imagined for ourselves and others had the the event not occurred.
ReplyDeleteBelieve it or not, I am completely sober after saying that. I do think KT has figured how to touch emotions that most don't, and in a way that creates deep sorrow and connection with characters she really develops in a deep way.
Also, I get a kick out of everyone's comments. I think the insights give some new perspectives and humor.
Agreed, I do think it's quite possible Nia and Geoff have entered down a path they could have possibly avoided, but I wonder how unavoidable it is. Dino and Nia have hooked up before, and she ran into him again, got her job interview with Rocco and was smitten with him too. So it makes me think that maybe she was already down that path, but just needed a shove. Interested in getting others perspective there.
DeleteMy sense was that Nia wanted a change, to break out of the everyday blandness that she thought was suffocating her. Yes, part of it was getting back out in the workforce again, but the way she jumped at working closely with Rocco and Dino, opening up the opportunity to stray again. While she didn't initially see how they would take her back to her old self, they(and I think their wives) did. And they seem out to belittle and humiliate Geoff whenever the opportunity arises. As the CCR song goes "I see a bad moon arisin', I see troubles on the way".
DeleteHmm, I think the reason to get into the workforce was important regardless of the opportunity, but her past catching up to her was inevitable to me. To me it just seemed like she was playing with fire from the beginning. One way or the other, being around these men that are what she is looking for was going to lead to trouble. Especially when she had a prior history with Dino, and has already been adulterous with him. I think Dino and Rocco's wives are looking at Nia as a threat based less on her past behavior, because I'm sure Dino has been mum about who she is with her, after all she being 'the one' (as he called her) is not someone you talk a lot about with your spouse. Rather I think they were defensive based off of their womenly intuition. Afterall, Bombshell body + prior relationship + catching their husbands' reactions around her + I'll throw in the Bachelorette party rumors since Rocco heard about it somehow = credible threat.
DeleteGood analysis... I smile a bit, thinking how KT is working on the next book like a beaver on a dam before winter sets in, while we analyze these characters like crazy. She would be proud, I think, or laughing hysterically.
DeleteShe has gone into her quiet period, so I suspect we have 3-5 days before we get another release. Hope she relaxes a bit and has fun while she is ripping her heart out on this one, it's going crazy fast.
I am in a writing frenzy! (but I read and enjoy and nod at everything written here :))
DeleteJust get that dam built before winter sets in!!!
DeleteNice to hear you are still percolating.
Again, I am vanquished by my spellchecker... I meant timeliness, not "timeliness".
ReplyDeleteUgh...timelines
ReplyDeleteWhen will the next book be out?
ReplyDeleteIt's scheduled to be uploaded on Nov 22!
DeleteYou get us wrapped up in the book so it feels like forever between them coming out. True signs of a great author.
DeleteKT-- On another subject, do you ever hear from Agatha Black? I read her book 2 a days,and it was a good read. Hopefully she keeps going with it.
DeleteShe is me, and she will keep going with it! I AM Agatha Black. Just a penname. Trying to keep two worlds separate but I think I will bring it all together, have all the books under one name. 2 A Days is erotica, romantic erotica, but it doesn't involve sharing a partner (well, sort of a threesome, I guess) so I didn't think it was a good fit. But maybe erotica is erotica for people who like the way I tell a story...
DeleteWell... Interesting info. You've always worked on versatility, even when it is in a single genre (although you have a pretty wide swath from the emotional side). The effect on kids is something that really gets to me (which probably doesn't surprise you from my past comments). I see this monster coming to surface soon in LHW2, maybe in the next episode. It reminds me when I used to do a lot of white water kayaking, you hear the roar long-form you see what you about to be fighting.... Right now, I can hear the roar, and it sounds really overwhelming.
DeleteYeah, it might be getting upsetting...
DeleteMmhmm, when you make comments like that KT I feel the need to strap in tight. We remember what happened the last time you felt that way about writing. Just think about the money and fans you're about to make!
DeleteThe money I'm sure is nice, but I get the distinct feeling that is a very small part of why KT does this... If I was selfish, I would say she does it to torment us. Mission accomplished!!!
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DeleteI haven't ruled that out as the chief motivator either. She'll just say that she likes how we "respond" to the characters. We're on to you KT! ;) JK JK
DeleteYou've shared very little about yourself. Where do you draw your plot lines from? For instance, are you married? Are these fantasies of yours and your significant other? Or are they solely yours? Where do you draw your inspiration from? Curious minds need to know! :)
ReplyDeleteThey are not OF me at all! I lose myself in characters and I let the characters decide their fantasies, or relate to me their fantasies. Then that dictates the story. It's a long weird process, ha ha.
DeleteYou shouldn't see me in any of the stories. I'm like a fly on Geoff's wall. Or whoever's wall. The inspiration solely comes from wanting to explore a character or group of characters. I want to tell a good story first. But, as far as the genre goes, it is appealing to me because of its tremendously high emotional impact.
KT, I love what you write, any other pen names we should know about?
ReplyDeleteNope, Agatha Black has been my only foray into non-wifesharing territory...thank you, though!
DeleteHow close are you to coming up with the title?
ReplyDeleteGrr...currently title-less. It'll happen...
DeletePlease don't take this as too forward, but how about something like "Feeling the Burn"?
DeleteJust thinking about what a double entrende might mean to several of the characters.
Not at all!
DeleteIt's sometimes tough finding a title. Gotta find the theme of the book, pick something that describes that without giving too much away. It's nice if it has a double entendre. And I can't divulge the theme of the book without giving too much away to you all!
I'm practically done at this point, just a few days editing. Something will bubble up from that...
Hi KT, has anything in the last week changed your release date?
DeleteAnother one..."Feelin' the Dark Energy"... A bit of neediness with that one.. Might work with a new book someday?
DeleteActually, I am just trying to get you thinking.
Good luck.
I meant "nerdiness", not neediness
DeleteOr "Race to the bottom". Hmm.
DeleteI like 'Untamed Passions' myself. :) Loved that moment in the story.
DeleteUntamed Passions. Nia is certainly out of control,I guess untamed as well.
DeleteAny guesses as to how everything will turn out. I think KT worries when I do this, since last time a couple of people came pretty close to the actual plot she ended up with.
Unfortunately, I usually don't come very close to her endings, my mind must be wired differently. Anyway, I think Nia really goes crazy in her pursuit of the serial attraction of Rocco (and probably Dino eventually). She will increasingly cut off Goeff, and may try to take O'Dell from him, claiming she is actually Dino's kid. That will set off Goeff, who will work with Dino's and Rocco's wife to stop the madness. He may prevail, but at immense cost to everyone involved.
I keep hoping KT will have pity on me and craft a Happily Ever After ending, but what fun would that be?
Darn spell check, I meant serial, not serial.
DeleteSexual, not serial
DeleteHow about "Kaleidoscope" for the title? This would refer to the confusing and overwhelming sensory bombardment experienced by both Geoff and Nia, as well as their inability to effectively sort out the details of what they are feeling. The title is a vague reference, I realize, but perhaps its cryptic nature would stimulate the interest of new readers.
DeleteI like it!!!
DeleteUh...yeah, I like that one too. Can't say why right now, ha ha...but I do like how that might work...
DeleteDoing edits at the moment. Have to tweak something to add impact for that title. Being cryptic on purpose. Thanks everyone, thanks PS!
Book probably won't be uploaded until tomorrow...
I really need to improve on clicking the right reply button lol.
DeleteAnyways! Interesting indeed, nicely done PS, you made the book! Thanks for the update KT, I'll just be here at the edge of my seat!
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ReplyDeleteSo I thought I would throw out my darkest thought in (or rumination) in this story thus far, as we wait for the newest episode. Released in parts, because I apparently I wrote a lot! I don't want to try to predict the ending like Guhrka wonders above (I think we're on a similar wavelength on it though), but I am getting pretty close to that naturally!
ReplyDeleteMy question is, what is 'loss' in this story? I think conventionally speaking, we would all agree that Geoff losing Nia as a lover and a wife would be 'loss' that would really hurt both Geoff and Nia. Nia is the best lay Geoff's ever had, and easily the hottest girl he's known. Her regaling her past to him sets him off like nothing has or probably will. That blowjob he got in the bar bathroom ... the best he'll ever get.
However, Geoff is also Nia's best friend, who helps make things right for her when she needs someone there for her. Who makes her breakfast before her first day of work, or 'fat girl night' after work? Or gets Angie off Nia's back, if even for the night, when she called after the Bachelorette Party? Or draws her a bath instead of going to a show the day after she gets tore up by another man? There's a real connection there, that means a lot to them.
The reason why I think that just losing her as a lover/wife wouldn't be the extent of 'loss' in this story, is that Geoff seems to be (basically, but not totally) okay with being the shoulder for Nia to cry on and take care of her, not matter what she does. What makes me cringe (and equally intrigued) is thinking ... what if she stops going to him for that comfort, because she doesn't need it? And what if, Nia knows/learns that Odele isn't Geoff's (if I spoiled that thought for you, you need to stop reading the blog and start reading! ha)? What does Geoff become to Nia/Odele long-term?
DeleteOf course Geoff has a say in all this. How is he going to handle actually SEEING Nia being manhandled by Rocco (or Dino?) like he is starting to fantasize about? Fantasies are just fantasies until they are hitting you in face as hard truth. The problem for Geoff is, her fantasies are yours too, and she already knows she likes what happened when her fantasies came true ... He isn't as sure he is going to like it as Nia was, and he just might be right that he won't!
Back to Geoff's say though. Who raised Odele? Was it Dino's absentee ass? Clearly he must have known it was a possibility that she was his daughter if even Rocco knew about that possibility! Geoff would have a pretty strong position to say, "no way are you taking her away from me."
It makes me sad to think about. Because we've seen how much Geoff means to Nia and to Odele, I REALLY doubt that Nia would just willfully remove her or her daughter from his life out of the blue. That said, on more than one occasion we've seen Nia and Rocco both thinking about the other as marriage material, albeit in passing. Like Rocco saying, "why would (Dino) let you go?" or "I'd put so many babies in you," or Nia quickly thinking about what it would be like being married to Rocco when they working, or getting a little angry at Maria for carrying on at the cottage because she didn't think Maria fully appreciated how good she has it, etc. If the story line reaches that point, where the super-Alpha Rocco could somehow demonstrate that he has some other parts of him that Nia could find comfort in on top of being a mindblowing lay, it's hard to imagine Nia or Geoff really wanting to, or even being capable of maintaining that friendly, flirty relationship they once had. I think Geoff would become, essentially, a family friend. Invited to parties and hangs out every once and a while to have a good time with everyone, but leaves at 11. Phew, that's heavy!
DeleteWe know Geoff was once pondering, does Nia want a husband who knows he isn't enough for her? I wonder if he is right!
Of course, the story could fall just short of being THAT devastating, and still be a gruesome ending for everyone, so I obviously took this to the most extreme emotionally. Happy Thanksgiving everyone! LOL! And to think, I actually enjoy this stuff!?
End of my stream of thought here. Thanks for making the first part of this story such an intriguing story line KT, and to hell with any haters who think that you need to "get to the point" or whatever the fuck they are saying.
Wow.. Some heavy sleuthing going on in your mind, 2B=2H. I can't disagree with your analysis, but I was thinking that Rocco and Dino would continue to belittle Geoff in front of Nia, much like Tyler did with Jess and Pete in LHW1, with much the same outcome, once she starts doing it as well. Sad part is that Geoff would probably take it (for the arousal it gives him), until he realizes that this monster will destroy everything. Hopefully he can wake up and do something before it is too late. That is the real horror of it,facing the monster you created (kinda like Frankenstein), and realizing what is on the line if you lose this next battle.
DeleteHe will hear the "Rapids roar", long before he sees the rocks and drops that may well drown him in their wrath.
I know, getting a bit into the passion of it all, need to stay cool and see what kind of stew KT has actually cooked up.
Have a great read over Thanksgiving to those in the U.S., or over a great weekend for everyone else.
An I will lift a glass in toast to you, KT, for generating so much energy with a few words.
Hear, hear and thanks! By the way, I've obviously skipped a lot of what might happen in the interim in my thoughts above. I am my usual excited/nervous feeling waiting to see what KT has cooked up for my American ass this Thanksgiving and beyond. I'm not sure intentional humiliation will play as much a role in this saga, but I can see that too. In my opinion, maybe unintentional humiliation might. Does that difference make sense to anyone else or am I inventing a dichotomy here? Ha!
DeleteOne small amendment (other than wishing i caught more errors during editing that stream of consciousness) is I sound like I'm alluding to the fact that Geoff might have known the possibility that Odele is Dino's daughter. In fact, I was calling out Dino for not doing anything (at least that we know of) about that possibility, since even his brother knew about it.
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DeleteInteresting and insightful analyses by 2B=2H and Guhrka. I agree. For both Geoff and Nia, it's a horribly tangled thicket of emotions, urges, and compulsions that will leave deep scars in everyone, though Geoff will most likely bear the brunt of the damage. He and Nia clearly make wonderful friends, and I have no doubt that Nia would be hard-pressed to find a worthy substitute for Geoff in this regard. However, most everyone tends to succumb to their baser urges, even at the expense of losing something precious that would benefit their lives in the long run. If only Geoff could do a bit of mental gymnastics like Mr. Spock and simply turn off his romantic attraction to Nia like a light switch. (See the episode, "Spectre of the Gun" from the original Star Trek series for a great illustration of this trick, which the poor humans could only do after Spock administered the Vulcan mind meld. Here's a short clip from that episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEm-6lYMgCI.)
DeleteThe fact is, the friend zone is not necessarily a bad place, but it can be poisoned with unrequited love. I can't speak for women, but few men I know of, including myself, are capable of remaining friends with a woman with whom they've fallen in love. The only clear solution is to muster the courage to make a complete break, preferably without acrimony. However, in this story, there is Odele; she is the random element that could tear the family apart. Regardless of her biological parentage, Geoff is her true father, and that's not something Nia can erase with a breakup. Oh, the agonizing possibilities!